I sat and watched Ten Canoes the other day. The language in it sounded like Tamil. Which was a surprise. Just like years ago I realised that Japanese and Tamil words were interchangeable in a sentence. So I went looking for research where others may have found this too. I came across this:
Perhaps most similar to Australian languages are the Dravidian languages of southern India. Tamil, for example, has five places of articulation in a single series of stops, paralleled by a series of nasals, and no fricatives (thus approaching the Australian proportion of sonorants to obstruents of 70% to 30%). Approaching the question from the opposite direction: according to the latest WHO data on the prevalence of chronic otitis media (Acuin 2004:14ff), Aboriginal Australians have the highest prevalence in the world – 10-54%, according to Coates & al (2002), up to 36% with perforations of the eardrum. They are followed – at some distance – by the Tamil of southern India (7.8%, down from previous estimates of 16-34%), … (from http://www.flinders.edu.au/speechpath/Manly%20final.pdf)
Then I started to look at other linking the tamil and the Aboriginal. And here I encountered a lot of material. I big proportio of this has to be discounted as it is typically in the vein of the Indian or Tamil suprematist. Quickly – that vein is one that claims that Tamil is the original language – and the class of languages called Dravidian ( an unfortunate appellation?) is huge and spread all over the world. Some claim the flaw in this na,ing has given rise to the feeling that Tamil ( as dravidian) is the original language. Still now we can start to read about DNA evidence. See this:
Dr Rao and his colleagues sequenced the mitochondrial genomes of 966 people from traditional tribes in India. They reported several of the Indian people studied had two regions of their mitochondrial DNA that were identical to those found in modern day Australian Aboriginal people. (http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/2011921/1/)
Also – http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2148/9/173/abstract/
Then there is the Human Genome Project and here is what that has to say:
During his own journey in pursuit of the Y chromosome story in the late 1990s, Wells took blood samples from males of Dravidian ancestry in southern India. The Dravidians were among India’s earliest colonists; they now live among the descendants of a later wave of Sanskrit speakers — like Latin and ancient Greek, Sanskrit is an a branch of the Indo-European ‘mother tongue’, more closely related to modern English and French than to Dravidian.
Wells was looking for a genetic marker called M130, the most ancient, non-African, Y-chromosome marker. It is rare in Dravidians, but quite common in Australian Aboriginal males — and, intriguingly, in the Na Dene peoples of the Pacific north-west of North America.
The Na Dene peoples are descended from a second, later wave of immigrants into North America, who were ultimately of Sino-Tibetan stock — M130 is both the oldest non-African Y-chromosome marker, and the most travelled.
Wells’ suspicion that M130 might have survived, at very low frequency, in southern coastal regions of India, was proven correct
The first African emigres left a durable calling card on the coastal migratory route between Africa and Australia.
(http://www.lifescientist.com.au/article/131860/dr_wells_genetic_crusade)
Which is of course mystifying and a bit thrilling. Do I carry M130 I wonder. If yes what would that mean to me? Or should I just learn the (which) language?
I reaad your brief article about language similarities between Tamil (Dravidian) and Australian Aborigines. I am a little puzzled because our Aborigines spoke about 300 languages but you have not identified which you are comparing with Tamil.
before the tamils (dravidians) arrived in india 9000 yrs ago ,there were australian aborigines and people from africa ..already residing throughout india
.the dravidians came from mesopotamia(sumeria) and elam and they established the mergarh civilisation.(mohenjo daro and harappa)
further some historians have concluded that the dravidians explored australia and new zealand ,like colubus, but a thousand years ago.
both of these events explain the existence of common words etc..
dravidians are L dna
info below is from wikipedia!
L was found in( 51% of Syrians from Al-Raqqah), a northern Syrian city in which its previous inhabitants have been wiped out by the Mongols by and repopulated in recent times by localBedouin populations and Chechen war refugees.[4] In a small sample of Israeli Druze haplogroup L was found in 7 out of 20 (35%). However, studies done on bigger samples showed that L-M20 averages 5% in Israeli Druze,[5] 8% in Lebanese Druze,[6] and it was not found in a sample of 59Syrian Druze. Haplogroup L has been found in 2.0% (1/50)[7] to 5.25% (48/914)[8] of Lebanese. wikipedia
L y dna
Syria 51.0% (33/65) of Syrians in Al-Raqqah,( 31.0% of Eastern Syrians) Mirvat El-Sibai et al. 2009[4] Iran 3.4% L1-M76 (4/117) and 2.6% L2-M317 (3/117)
for a total of 6.0% (7/117) haplogroup L in southern Iran
3.0% (1/33) L3-M357 in northern Iran Regueiro et al. 2006(( Turkey 57% in Afshar village,)) 12% (10/83) in Black Sea Region, 4.2% (1/523 L-M349 and 21/523 L-M11(xM27, M349)) Cinnioğlu et al. 2004, Gokcumen (2008)
The subclades of Haplogroup L with their defining mutation(s), according to the 2011 ISOGG tree:
L (M11, M20, M22, M61/Page43, M185)
L* Found only in Europe from Ireland to Eastern Europe[26]
L1 (M295) Found from Western Europe to South Asia [27]
L1*
L1a (M27, M76, P329) Found frequently in Indians, Sri Lankans, andBalochs, with a moderate distribution in other populations of Pakistan, southern Iran, and Arabia but also in European populations
L1b (M317) Found at low frequency in Central Asia, Southwest Asia, and Central Europe
L1b*
L1b1 (M349) Principally found in Europe
L1b2 (M274)
L1c (M357) Found frequently among Burushos, Kalashas, Chechensand Pashtuns, with a moderate distribution among other populations inPakistan, Georgia, northern Iran, India, the UAE, and Saudi Arabia
L1c*
L1c1 (PK3) Found frequently among Kalash
Mari (modern Tell Hariri, Syria) was an ancient( Sumerian and Amorite city), located 11 kilometers north-west of the modern town of Abu Kamal on the western bank of Euphrates river, some 120 km southeast of Deir ez-Zor, Syria. It is thought to have been inhabited since the 5th millennium BC, although it flourished with series of superimposed palaces that spans a thousand years, from 2900 BC until 1759 BC, when it was sacked by Hammurabi.[1]
Abu Kamal (Arabic: أبو كمال, Turkish: Ebu Kemal or Kışla) is a city in eastern Syria on theEuphrates River near the border with Iraq. The Euphrates divides Abu Kamal into two areas: Shamiyya (belonging to the Levant) and Jazira (belonging to Mesopotamia) Al-Jazira, a plains region consisting of northeastern Syria and northwestern Iraq, quite distinct from the Syrian Desertand lower-lying central Mesopotamia. Abu Kamal is an economically prosperous farming region with cattle-breeding, cereals, and cotton crops. It is also home to the historical site Dura-Europos and the ancient kingdom of Mari.
good day,
congratulations to author for the excellent article and jstrain’s comment and puzzlement. I have been waiting for this articulation for a number of years.
1) In order not to reach dead ends to inquiry I file away only data / facts. And not confusing conclusions from whoever they are. caveat emptor is the dictat.
One of these days I ought to compile statistics on emotion indices of “scientists” for the question “so what? and oh yeah? Have you read Russellian axiomless mathematics.” at the end of a presentation.
2. Comparing mangoes with kangaroos and kookaburras leads to dead ends and strange theories. Comparing the elements of these sure is biochemistry. That needs to be done when comparing highly diverged populations.
3. arming one’s self with [pANiNiya dhAtupATha], Monier Williams Sanskrit English and any Australian Aboriginal dictionary arranged in the Bharath India way [a, A, i, I u, U, Ru, RU, ~Lu, LU, e E ai o O au aM aH] [ka varga] – [ca varga] [Ta varga] [ta varga] [pa pha ba bha va] [ma, ya ra la] [sha Sha sa] [ha] The meaning of Australian Aboriginal words can be understood by anybody.
Many of the words have been used in the veda – cannot be more so called Aryan than that.
The same above tools can be used to obtain statistically significant concordance with Maya in the South and Meso America.
http://www.scribd.com/smartxpark5849
There appears to be a relook always on theories and migrations. Are migrations of people the only explanations – Could not migration of land masses left ecological niches.
regards
Check the following videos for Etymological proofs with clear meanings of Root Words!!!
http://www.youtube.com/user/tamilsantham#g/u
Mr.kedarnath is sceptical about the finding of the author.The authour has clearly stated the relationship between the Sotuh Indian Tamil (isolated) population and the Australian aboriginals by means of scientific evidence from M130 mitocondrial DNA which cannot be challenged by any unaided theories and speculations. The linguistics correlation strongly supports his scientific evidence.
Good day,
Dr Rao and his colleagues sequenced the mitochondrial genomes of 966 people from traditional tribes in India. They reported
[ several ]
of the Indian people studied had two regions of their mitochondrial DNA that were identical to those found in modern day Australian Aboriginal people.
What on earth does this “unscientific [several] mean?
What ratio of the sample is it to the population – How were the samples obtained – legal or illegal means? Was it “informed consent” of the tribals – Australian and Indian laws do require ethical practices.
Any suspect practice by the researchers leads skeptism at the least. And if I get furious that instead of looking for measures to grant them rights they are being used as guinea pigs for “distorted” reasons such as Aryan and race reasons – in 2011 reeling still under recession and sky rocketing prices will have our Raos looking for jobs.
yes, many of them aboriginal peoples look are similar to tamil people that i identify by seeing their photos in the wikipedia.
liar aborigine have c ydna dravidians have L c is found in low frequency in india
I too was looking for this connection between the Tamils and the Australian Aborigines.
The physical looks and skin complexion of the aborigines bear many similarities. I also agree that there are some similar customs between the Tamils and Aborigines. For Example Aborigines apply white ash on their bodies similar to what the Tamils do.
I heard there is a mountainous region in the middle parts of Australia (which is a popular tourist destination), called ‘Uluru’. This is very similar to the tamil word Ul oor- meaning internal village.
My view is that the Dravidian race would have got isolated in Australian main land when the united land (united with the Indian Sub continent) got separated from the mainland thousands of years ago.
I am very eager to listen to any research done in this field!
the australoids and people from africa are the original inhabitants of india..the tamils or dravidians cam from mesopotamia 9000 yrs ago.they established mohenjo daro etc…and some or most have moved to the south of india..
I am not a scientist or a linguist. however I have lived with Australian Aborigines for 29 yrs.concurrently 16 yrs ago I married a Fijian Indian and have been involved with Indians for the past 16 yrs.
Indians and Aborigines are not similer.They are the same people ,seperated by maybe 10s of 1000s of yrs but their basic cultural psychology is exactly the same in too many ways to go into here.It seems they did originate from the Dravidian people in some ancient time. Research needs to be concentrated on this ancient Aboriginal /Indian common anscestory,JK
tamil people are short,with big nose especially in southern tamilnadu. they are having less sharp facial features and are very dark in complexion. so is many south indians and central indians. tamilian nationalism is based on fake theory of dravidianism.
liar
Check this
http://www.youtube.com/user/tamilsantham#g/u
Hmmm why you Aryans are always so fanatical about Aryanism and Indian Nationalism. In turn we are making them also fanatical about their language. Acceptance is good medicine for rifts, accept and start appreciating each other… In the process of convincing others am also starting to love their language. Dont worry tamilians are also Indians. But do try to acknowledge the glory of their languages and race, enough is enough for your religious and caste based suppresions under the name of Hinduism… Moreover there were times in Tamil land, some sect of people considered the tamil language is untouchable and spread the hatred. Of/course scholars of the same sect acknowledge the truth and documented the truth in late early 18th centuries after intervention of many scholars from Europe. Please accept the truths…
Btw my mother tongue is Telugu…
http://www.pbase.com/oochappan/image/38344810
these are tamils what shit are you people lying about?
http://www.pbase.com/oochappan/image/84013585
tamil men how are thes people like aborigine ?stop spreading lies !
http://www.pbase.com/oochappan/image/84061823
tamil girl
http://www.pbase.com/oochappan/image/72115774
tamil man
hey for donkeys ever thought how come indians settled in australia in recent times, the dravidians were sea trading people it is sure a possible our people migrated there in ancient history ?our people mixed with those people
http://www.pbase.com/oochappan/image/72924148
this is tamil he has long pretty hair which is wavy his has a nice shape and his nose is not broad what bullshit are u talkng about?
http://www.pbase.com/oochappan/image/73824272
young tamil man
http://www.torontolife.com/features/were-here-were-tamil-get-used-it/?pageno=1
this is tamil
http://jackgruber.com/athens/iraq-2/
moroccan soccer player in green looks like so many tamils i have have seen many tamils like him after thousands of yrs coming out of egypt we still have people like us in north africa east africa and arabia! so u can stop your bullshit
http://billygambelaafroasiaticanthropology.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/bedscha2.jpg
asiatic man of east africa very similar to us the old man i mean
http://www.imagesofasia.com/html/pakistan/brahui-chief.html
brahui dravidian what wide nose do u see?
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/tamil-asylum-seekers-still-need-protection-20100325-qzc4.html
tamil people
http://www.asiantribune.com/node/5795
tamil men aborigines what the ?are you kidding yes there dark but we are a unique dark race
http://azkn.getunik.net/microfinance/microcredit/?83/microinsurance-allianz-care-tamil-nadu
tamils
http://beta.thehindu.com/news/states/tamil-nadu/article60170.ece
tamil man nothing like aborigine
http://www.pbase.com/oochappan/image/84013585
these are tamils
http://www.pbase.com/oochappan/image/71806493
tamil man
Dravidian languages, was carried from Elam to India by eastward migration; this is the view proposed by David McAlpin this man is truthful check what david mcalphin says and read what i dreamt same thing
actually it is the dravidians who are the sumerians
i have dreamt a explanation of the dravidians i dreamt that they were negroid in type(hamitic) with straight hair and were also egyptians after this i dreamt that they came from the fertile crescent in syria close to the sea and after this i dreamt that they came from north africa close to the sea and i see arrows showing their travel one arrow goes up into syria and the other arrow went east through southern iraq and all of southern iran until the arrow stopped at northwest india i have also dreamt their migration was in the shape of a U turn on the river nile nothing i saw had to do with horn of africa nothing
By 2300 B.C.E., the Mesopotamians wrote that Elam was the country that covered the entire Iranian plateau from the Caspian Sea to the Persian Gulf, including a bit of today’s southeastern Iraq. The actual extent of Elam, however, spread much further from Central Asia to Afghanistan, Pakistan and on to the southern shores of the Persian Gulf.
The features which the proto-Indian culture and the Mesopotamian culture have in common may quite possibly be explained by the fact that the people who created the oldest Indian civilisation and the first men to develop the valley of the Tigris and Euphrates were cognate peoples speaking Dravidian languages. Or perhaps they were simply one and the same people. It is also possible that the Dravidian languages may have been common to other peoples besides the Ubaids and the proto-lndians.
p The region east of the Tigris, in Iran, called Khuzistan, was once known as Elam. A civilisation flourished there 5,000 years ago with citystates, a distinctive culture and a written language. Scholars find that the culture of the Elamites had many features in common with that of Mesopotamia, and even more so with the protoIndian culture.
p The Elamites spoke and wrote a language with which it has been impossible so far to find affinities. Linguists have attempted, unsuccessfully, to demonstrate that Elamite is related to the Turanian (Ural-Altaic, Turkic and Mongolic languages), to the numerous Caucasian languages, or to the dead languages of Asia Minor (Human, Kassite, etc.). “The only hypothesis supported by a few indicative facts is that of an ElamoDravidian relationship,” says the eminent Soviet historian and linguist I. Dyakonov in his 144 monograph Languages of Ancient. Asia Minor. Dyakonov cites examples showing affinities between Elamite and the languages used by the Dravidians. In the Uravidian languages the root “ketu” means “perish” or “be destroyed”. In the Elam language it means “destroy”. The word for “day” in Elamite is “nan” whereas in the Dravidian languages this root “nan” means “morning”,“dawn” and “day”. The root “pari” in Elamite means “reach”, while in the Dravidian languages it means “flee” or “evade”.
p Languages borrow words from one another, of course. Besides, sounds and meanings may accidentally coincide (for example, both in English and Kabardinian, a language of the Caucasus Mountains, the numeral 2 sounds the same, although there is no relationship between the two languages). But the important thing is that Elamite and the Dravidian languages have many common grammatical structures, and grammatical structures are never borrowed. This speaks either of ancient affinities or of contacts over a long period of time. Both phonetically and morphologically Elamite is similar to the Dravidian languages. And the pronouns are so similar that, says Dyakonov, “they sometimes fully coincide”.
p The affinities between Elamite and the Dravidian languages have led Dyakonov to assume that “tribes related by language to the Elamites and the Dravidians were scattered throughout Iran, or at any rate, throughout southern Iran, in the fourth and third millennia B.C. and perhaps later as well. Besides, traces of Dravidian toponymy (true, they do not date back to any definite period) have evidently been found on the Arabian Peninsula, while traces of an admixture 145 of the Dravidoid (South Indian) race have been noted, say some researchers, in several regions of southern Iran.” Later the dark-skinned Dravidians, or peoples related to them linguistically and racially, were forced out of Iran or were completely assimilated by the newcomers. True, Herodotus, who lived in the fifth century B.C., still called the inhabitants of Baluchistan, a country situated between India and Elam, “Asiatic Ethiopians” (that is, “Asiatic Negroes”), which might mean that dark-skinned people inhabited the area between Iran and India as late as about 2,500 years ago.
and one thing the ignorance of many white people have not change if you brown they call u black who are they to label people and all the pics i posted of tamil dravidians look nothing like somalians neither ethiopian as i said some resemble us but not many nowhere does it mention somalian neither ethiopian just dravidian
It is fully possible that Elamite and the Ubaid languages branched off from the common Dravidian stock at an early date, and this explains the similarities and the differences between them. There might be another explanation. The Dravidian languages, the language of the Ubaids who preceded the Sumerians, and Elamite might all go back to a more remote common language. They might be three branches of that language. Most of the Elamite texts are written in the cuneiform script that the Elamites borrowed from their Western neighbours, the Akkadians and the Sumerians, in the middle of the third millennium B.C. Before that the Elamites used hieroglyphics. And still earlier they had a pictorial graphic system called proto-Elamite.
p Proto-Elamite writing has not yet been deciphered. In appearance the texts and the pictorial characters are very like proto-Sumerian, the earliest Mesopotamian writing. The inhabitants of Mesopotamia also wrote on clay tablets, using a pictorial-linear form of writing and, like the proto-Sumerian texts, they were evidently also household accounts and business documents.
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p A third proto-writing, characters of which have been found at Harappa, Mohenjo-Daro and other prehistoric sites on the Indian subcontinent, has affinities with the characters in proto-Sumerian and proto-Elamite scripts. The earliest Mesopotamian texts are written in Sumerian, as recent studies by A. Vaiman of the Soviet Union have shown, although the first inhabitants of the valley of the Tigris and Euphrates were not Sumerians but Ubaids, who spoke a language cognate with the Dravidian languages.
p The language of the proto-Elamite texts, probably the earliest form of the Elamite language, differs from the language of the proto-Sumerian inscriptions. Proto-Indian texts conceal the Dravidian language rather than the Sumerian or Elamite; therefore, proto-Sumerian writing cannot provide a key with which to decipher the mysterious scripts of the Indian subcontinent and Elam, especially since proto-Sumerian writing has been only partially deciphered. Scholars can read only 250 of the 800 characters in protoSumerian writing. Still, the similarity among the characters of the three proto-writings leads one to think that they were derived from a single common ancestor. After all, the cuneiform script later invented by the Sumerians was used to record the Akkadian, Elamite, Urartean, Hittite and other languages that bear no resemblance to Sumerian. One can find a common basic stock of similar characters among the characters used in proto-Sumerian, proto-Elamite and protoIndian writing.
Philologists and toponymists use the term “substratum” when speaking of languages and place-names that precede the languages and names they are studying. When it comes to the characters 147 in early writings we may also speak of a “ substratum”, an initial pictorial graphic system that came before the proto-Sumerian, proto-Elamite and proto-Indian writings. Since the proto– Sumerian texts are the oldest, and the first inhabitants of Mesopotamia, before the Sumerians, were the Ubaids, we may use the word “Ubaid” to designate the oldest system of writing.(This was not writing in the full sense of the word but sooner a language of drawings, the pictography that preceded archaic forms of writing.) The system existed in Mesopotamia before the Sumerians came there. The Sumerians adopted the system and used it to develop their own writing, the proto-Sumerian, in the same way that they adopted and developed other Ubaid material and intellectual achievements.
The same thing may have happened on both the Indian subcontinent and Elam. The similarity of the proto-Indian, proto-Elamite and protoSumerian scripts is again explained by their Dravidian basis. The Ubaid language is perhaps a cognate language, like the language of the Elamites and the proto-Indians. Dravidian “basic writing”, like a Dravidian “basic language”, may have existed in remote antiquity. The Ubaid, proto-Indian and Elamite pictorial characters may bo offshoots of that “basic script”, in the same way that the Ubaid, Elamite and protoIndian languages are offshoots of the “parent Dravidian language”.
The best-known Dravidian languages are Tamil , Telugu , Kannada and Malayalam. There are three subgroups within the Dravidian linguistic family: North Dravidian, Central Dravidian, and South Dravidian, matching for the most part the corresponding regions in the Indian subcontinent.
Dravidian languages are spoken by more than 200 million people. They appear to be unrelated to languages of other known families like Indo-European, specifically Indo-Aryan, which is the other common language family on the Indian subcontinent. Some linguistic scholars incorporate the Dravidian languages into a larger Elamo-Dravidian language family, which includes the ancient Elamite language (Haltami) of what is now south-western Iran. Dravidian is one of the primary linguistic groups in the proposed Nostratic language system, linking almost all languages in North Africa, Europe and Western Asia into a common family with its origins in the (Fertile Crescent sometime between the last Ice Age and the emergence of proto-Indo-European 4-6 thousand years BC.[citation needed])
above is not my words
(and also as i said i dreamt the dravidians came from the fertile in syria close to the sea and before this i had no knowledge of what the fertile crescent was!)and below is not either
Dravidian grammatical impact on the structure and syntax of Indo-Aryan languages is considered far greater than the Indo-Aryan grammatical impact on Dravidian. Some linguists explain this anomaly by arguing that Middle Indo-Aryan and New Indo-Aryan were built on a Dravidian substratum.[20]
Elamo-Harappan origins for Haplogroup J2 in India?
The presence of Haplogroup J2 in India, including the subclades M410 and M241 has been an often overlooked clue to the origins of M172. Sengupta et al, in 2005 worked to explain the presence of M172 in India. Their paper provides an immediate acknowledgement of the proposed spread of proto-Elamo-Dravidian speaking peoples into India originating from the Indus Valley and southwest Persia. The idea that M172 may have been carried into India with proto-Elamo-Dravidian groups is supported by the frequencies of Haplogroup J in one of the only remaining Dravidian Speaking ethnic groups in the Iranian Plateau, the Brahui. 28% of the Brahui, an ethnic Dravidian speaking group from Western Pakistan were found to carry the mutation defining Haplogroup J. Overall Haplogroup J2 in India represented 9.1% of this very populous nation. In Pakistan, M172 accounted for 11.9% of the Y-Chromosomes typed. Sengupta’s paper broke down the frequencies of Haplogroup J2 into various caste and language groups. J2 was found to be significantly higher among Dravidian castes at 19% than among Indo-European castes at 11%. J2a-M410 in particular may be a strong candidate for a proposed migration of proto-Dravidian peoples from the Iranian Plateau or the Indus Valley since J2a M410 is a very high component of the haplogroup J2 chromosomes found in Pakistan. Over 71% of the M172 found in Pakistan was M410+.
Another interesting characteristic in the distribution of M172 and more specifically, M410, in India was its higher frequencies in Upper Caste Dravidians. M410+ chromosomes were found in 13% of Upper Caste Dravidians. Sengupta goes on to suggest an Indian origin of Dravidian speakers but from a Y chromosome perspective, the paper seems to acknowledge M172 arriving in India from Middle Eastern and Indus Valley Civilizations.
L1 (M27, M76) Found frequently in Indians, Sri Lankans, and Balochs, with a moderate distribution in other populations of Pakistan, southern Iran, and Arabia
# L2 (M317) Found at low frequency in Central Asia, Southwest Asia, and Southern Europe
* L2*
* L2a (M349)
* L2b (M274)
# L3 (M357) Found frequently among Burusho and Pashtuns, with a moderate distribution among other populations in Pakistan, Georgia, northern Iran, India, the UAE, and Saudi Arabia
dravidians are living in afghanistan and central balochistan as well as pakistan(kalat and also quetta) all these people have straight hair
http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=101726
and people found in arabia same as us we have so many like the first four men of the mahrah tribe these are same as us
Mr.Husayn I am sorry but I am not able to understand what you are trying to say here…
Are you trying you to tell that Dravidians were the South Indian people or branched at large or perished…There is a legend that there existed a Kanni Kandam thousands of years ago and it was split by geographical issues..We don exactly look like Africans but we have many similarities with Africans and Australian Aborigines in a lot of ways..I think you have not visited all parts of Tamilnadu …We can find a lot of same facial structures like africans, aborigines etc..Unless a proper research is done and found we cant say anything…
Guys those who know Tamil check the following videos!!!
http://www.youtube.com/user/tamilsantham#g/u
dravidians have been long downplayed of their origin, brilliance,language etc simply because we are a heavily pigmented people and the light skin aryan is seen as more beautiful and therefore more intelligent, more ‘correct’. We must admit this rubbish of a world that exalts lighter skin as more superior, beautiful. Once we get that out of the way, people can start accepting highest truths and facts….that the Dravidians are the indigenous peoples of the subcontinent and that they are actually more peace loving and more intelligent than the ‘better looking’ lighter skin(still pigmented though) aryans. It is a disease, the preferring of lighter skin. Even in Malaysia where i was born and am living, the chinese prefer the fairer skin ones. The chinese people of Penang are darker because of the island sun and preferred is the Ipoh-Kampar chinese in Perak state where the much fairer skin is adored. Worse off is the case of the malay people. Every women magazine will have pages of skin lightening creams. Latest being deodorant for men which has skin lightening ingredients! That’s men’s deodorant!Fairer armpits, thats the malaysia i(a very dark Tamil guy) is living in.
One need not be surprised to know that ‘Australian aboriginal language and people’ resemble Dravidian (south indian Tamil) language and people because Tamil epics talks about a huge land mass KUMARI KANDAM (popularly known as LEMURIA) existed several years ago and major part of it was later swallowed by the indian ocean. It will be interesting to know that this KUMARI KANDAM contained southern most regions of India, the whole of Australia, the whole of Srilanka and the whole of Madagaskar. This KUMARI KANDAM was a Tamil region with Tamil kingdom(s) and the first two ‘Tamil sangams’ (assemblies of tamil scholars) were held here in remote past.
hi friends this is venkat from chennai.Before coming across this page in the internet even i had a feeling that tamil and australian aborgines have some historical linkages.
Adding to the previously mentioned word calling a place in the middle of the australian mainland “Ulooroo” near Alice springs, which in actual tamil means “a place in the interior” .There is an island in the North western part of Australia called the” Tivu island”.
In tamil “tivu or Teevu” means an island.
I’m a Malaysian of South Indian origin & travelled to Melbourne & Sydney a couple of times. Yep, i agree with Venkat with what Ulurru means in Tamil. The Hindu priests spreads ashes across his arms & body just the way Abos. At times, some Abo words rhyme smilar to Tamil words eg: Maliya Thalu (honey site), a place in Western Australia translated referes to Tamil’s Maliya (Hill/site). I did come acroass a research done which found similarities between Nilgeri tribe from South India with a local abo tribe.
I reckon some South Indian Tribes
I always knew this. I have heard Aboriginal peoples of Arnhem land in Australia speak. Its amazing how much it sounds like how alot of tamil people speak. They even look like the darker skinned tamils.
Keep in mind that i read about an Aboriginal elder that said their people were remnants of a highly advanced civilisation that sunk into the ocean.
And that the survivors were forced to live simple lives as tribals.
Tamil people speak of Kumari Kandam. I have heard several African tribes talk about this also.
Truth is stranger than fiction. The white supremacist education system has covered up alot of the true history of the world because they want to demonize the darker peoples of the world as ‘savage’.
i am very surprise to see this.i belongs to tamilnadu.
Bharatavarshe is the land from Vindhya (Himalayas) to down south Kerala & Lanka !!. folks – Lets be clear. what scares our aryan theory followers are that their culture is a copy of the dravidians. Kumari Kandam is correct – no reason to lie here – these texts were written more than 18 centuries back. the similarity between Tamils & Austrlian aborginals point to that direction, so these people came from a common land that connected south india & australia maybe 10,000 to 40,000 yrs back. Tribals always treasured their culture & they carried it for 1000s of generations, so these texts came from there – no rocket science. here. Sanskrit was given by the Nagas to the Aryas (aryas are the noble men within the Naga tribe – thats why you have brahmins in every community – they were just the noble men like the aristocrats – no separate race !!) – written 18 centuries back on a temple in south India – no reason to lie here. Nagas are dravidians & they lived next door – nagapattinam, etc… so Sanskrit came up indigeneously within the dravidian race (something our aryan friends will vehemently deny – but ask them to pronounce one vedic hymn, they cannot becos it is in dravidian consonant !!), these tribes would have pointed to the external origin of sanskrit if true like the Kumari Kandam island. Jain texts written 1000s of years back confirm that Ramayana & Mahabarat are stories of dravidian chieftains (Telugu, Kannada, tamil, Malayalam kings) in south india !!. Kannada king defeats Indran from Indrapala (Andhra) etc.. sanjeevini hills are in andhra, agasthiar hills, Vatapi, Kansapuram, Madurai (mathura – Megasthenes calls this city as Mathura – land of krishna centuries back), kiskinda, pandapura, Gangavathi, kannada kings were called Ganga kingdoms, Cauvery is Ganga, Triveni sangam is in Tamil Nadu etc.. – all cities mentioned in these texts are in south india !!
And the other common mistake people do is that – just because Sanskrit was not written during Ashokas’ time does NOT mean it did not exist during that time & it could only have come from outside. you have look at the history of India from South to North & not the other way !!. Dravidians came to south india from Kumari Kandam Island 10,000+ yrs back & they established kingdoms in the south. Kannada (Maurya & Guptas) & Telugu kings (Kalinga/Nagas) conquered the north & spread their culture there. Also many tribes lived independant of others & hence some Naga tribe (subsect..) could have had sanskrit for 5000+ yrs & not known to the others. the fact that sanskrit is so “dravidianized”, the Vedic Hymns are all in dravidian consonant, it could only have originated in south !. Classical sanskrit originates from the Vedic Sanskrit (no disputes here), so sanskrit is a dravidian origin !! & it is very well possible that this spread to other countries/languages through the sea faring traders/contacts !!
Read the above 2 posts!. Continuing, in a very important historical evidence, Megasthenes goes to patliputra 300 BC & then goes all the way to the pandian kingdom (does not visit any other) & then writes about madurai – as Methora as the land of Krishna !! & talks about a story like Illiad in the court of Madurai King – (Troy is Ramayana – wife gets kidnapped triggers an extra-ordinary war. Ramayana is written by the Victors & Troy/Lanka version is written by the defeated.) & talks of the caste system – all this in the pandian kingdom. so the Sanskrit language, vedas, caste system, arya vanshi, Ramayana, Mahabaratam etc., are all dravidian in origin.